James Lindsay has recently popularized the term "Woke Right" and has gone straight at podcasters like Dave Smith, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, and many others, criticizing them for using the same tactics the Left used to silence opposition and construct their worldview. But Ami doesn't go easy on James here, either. He pushes back hard on whether James' tactics are any better.Listen to our conversation about the fracture inside the new conservative movement — and he doesn't hold back. In this clip, James weighs in on Joe Rogan’s controversial interview with Ian Carroll, the rise of the “woke right,” how Candace Owens wants to be a cult leader, and the dangers of engaging conspiracy-driven influencers without pushback.

🔹 Why did Rogan’s interview with Carroll spark backlash?

🔹 Is the "woke right" just the alt-left in disguise?

🔹 Is Andrew Tate the Right's form of queer?

🔹 What does James think about free speech vs. propaganda?

Watch as Lindsay connects the dots between online echo chambers, MAGA’s fragile coalition, and the influence of foreign actors on American discourse.

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00:00 James Lindsay on Woke, MAGA & Media Power00:47 The Origins of “Woke” and Its Evolution03:02 From Antifa to Groypers: The Rise of the Woke Right07:31 Andrew Tate, “Based” Culture & Right-Wing Transgression12:19 Did Israel Break MAGA? The Tucker Carlson-Candace Owens Divide14:27 Candace Owens, “Christ Is King,” and Anti-Israel Sentiment19:01 Foreign Influence? MAGA Infiltration and Bot Networks36:30 Joe Rogan, Ian Carroll, and Engaging with Extremism44:10 Daryl Cooper, Debate Bros & the Limits of Discourse59:07 – Can the Right Avoid a Fascist Turn? Final Thoughts